[757labs] HackerSpaces in Space 2011

Fri Oct 21 15:53:59 EDT 2011

'Pooling money' before you even know what it is you'll need to buy is kind of silly.  Why go through the pain of getting 20 people to chip in $10 or whatever, if you end up only needing $50?

--
Adam

On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Trevor Lewis wrote:

> Actually the *max* is $250, but they take off 0.5 points for every buck over $150. Base point score for cost is 50 points, so if we want to maximize score, we need to shoot for $150. We should have a pool of $250 available, just in case, but only plan on using $150 of it.
>  
> Might be easier to get 15 people to do $10 bucks. Either way, I'll throw in a yuppie foodstamp. (That's a $20 for those of you that weren't part of the problem during the dotcom bubble...) :)
> 
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Steve Nelson <snelson at webapper.com> wrote:
> I can't make either day. But, I'm in, if...
> 
> we can answer one, super-duper-crazy-important-outrageously-vital question that trumps every other design and engineering question. We only have one month to design, build and launch this balloon. If we can't answer this in the next week we should consider not even wasting our time. Are you ready?
> 
> How are we going to pay for the balloon project?
> 
> We need a budget of $250. Do we have 13 people ready to put $20 in each? I'll put the first $20 in, but only if 12 other people commit to it in the next week.
> 
> Answer that question this weekend and I think we're golden. No one person should have a pay for this entire project.
> 
> Steve
> 
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Almost_There at COX.Net <Almost_There at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 757 Labs in Space;
> 
> >how about both days
> 
>    Okay, I'll try to take notes tomorrow, make a summary, and post 'em here for anyone that doesn't make it Friday.
> 
> 
>    Good Luck!
>    Ken_S.
> 
> 
> At 08:15 PM 10/20/2011, you wrote:
> We just have to remober is open hack night how about both days (some
> can one and not the other)
> 
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Almost_There at COX.Net
> <Almost_There at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > 757 Labs in Space;
> >
> >    Someone at work was interested in helping out and she and her husband
> > want to come; I already told 'em Friday @ 19:00; if we're changing it to
> > Saturday @ ??:?? please let me know tonight so I can tell her at work
> > tomorrow.
> >
> >    Is it Friday @ 19:00, or Saturday sometime?
> >
> >
> >    Good Luck!
> >    Ken_S.
> >
> > At 03:23 PM 10/20/2011, you wrote:
> >>
> >> Now are we going to meet on saterday ? if so what time?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Angus Hines <3aih at angushines.com> wrote:
> >> > @Jessica TechShop in Durham has half of their second floor devoted to
> >> > sewing
> >> > with all sorts of equipment from home model singer sewing  machines to
> >> > the
> >> > huge industrial sail making sewing machines. And interestingly enough,
> >> > they
> >> > are the second hardest pieces of equipment to get time on the first
> >> > being
> >> > the LAZZOR !!! Just thought Id put my 2 cents in here.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Angus Hines III
> >> >
> >> > 757 373 5366
> >> >
> >> > www.angushines.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: 757labs-bounces at 757labs.org [mailto:757labs-bounces at 757labs.org]
> >> > On
> >> > Behalf Of Jessica Ledbetter
> >> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:49 AM
> >> >
> >> > To: 757labs at 757labs.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [757labs] HackerSpaces in Space 2011
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, uncool Dave.
> >> >
> >> > There's a place in San Jose called TechShop [1]. Don't know if anyone's
> >> > gone
> >> > there yet but it's amazing. So if you're in the area, I highly recommend
> >> > at
> >> > least a tour or a day pass :) They have lots of equipment including
> >> > laser
> >> > cutters, vinyl cutter, silk screener, electronic stuff, and -- yes --
> >> > sewing
> >> > machines. Every night I was there was very diverse in gender. I'm sorry
> >> > that
> >> > I'm missing the jet pack making session.
> >> >
> >> > Trevor: great idea. Geeks, overall, are good peeps :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [1] http://techshop.ws
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Trevor Lewis <trevorl.salad at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Oddly enough, I'm the one in the house that sews. My wife thought I was
> >> > crazy when I drew up the designs and ordered the parts for a tutu with
> >> > LEDs
> >> > embedded in it for my 3 year old niece. What's better than a chance to
> >> > play
> >> > with some wearable technology *and* win best uncle ever?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I think one of these nights I'll bring her to an open hack night, so she
> >> > can
> >> > get over (or validate) her fear of geek gatherings. It would be nice for
> >> > her
> >> > to have a better idea of what the lab is about. She would just be bored
> >> > at
> >> > the Space meeting though.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Dave <dave.in.vb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Bring her with you. The lab is female friendly, we have a sewing
> >> > machine.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Trevor Lewis <trevorl.salad at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Honestly, as long as its largely outside of business hours I can do just
> >> > about anything. Might generate wife-aggro, but she keeps saying I need
> >> > to
> >> > get out of the house...
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:20 AM, c flux <cyberfluxor at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Correct, Saturday is the LAN Party day. We start around 1pm and go until
> >> > midnight or so. We take up the front area, so if you wish to have a
> >> > meeting
> >> > there is plenty of room and seating upstairs and should be quiet.
> >> >
> >> > I plan to be at Open Hack Night on Friday and do not mind helping to
> >> > make a
> >> > comfortable space for the 757Labs in Space group as I arrange the front
> >> > for
> >> > the LAN event.
> >> >
> >> > - MattC
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:08:30 -0400
> >> >> From: msg4real at gmail.com
> >> >> To: 757labs at 757labs.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [757labs] HackerSpaces in Space 2011
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Saturday is the lan party but I can do saturday
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Trevor Lewis <trevorl.salad at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >  I could do Saturday, but I'll be at work until at least 1600 on
> >> >> > Friday.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:04 AM, matthew green <msg4real at gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Have we come up with a date to meet
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> When: How about Friday 1ish - 5pm
> >> >> >> Where: The Lab
> >> >> >> Why: Because we need to get orginized
> >> >> >> How: who ... w/e
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Steve Nelson <snelson at webapper.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > I think the time it takes is just a matter of how much energy you
> >> >> >> > apply
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > it. Logically applying 1KW should produce 10 times as much gas as
> >> >> >> > 100W.
> >> >> >> > According to these guys 1KW will produce 35 cubic feet in about 6
> >> >> >> > hours.
> >> >> >> > So
> >> >> >> > to fill a 100 cubic foot balloon will take about 18 hours. At 6
> >> >> >> > cents/
> >> >> >> > KWH
> >> >> >> > that's a grand total of a $1.08.
> >> >> >> > http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/h2homesystem.pdf
> >> >> >> > But... it's dangerous.
> >> >> >> > Steve
> >> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Almost_There at COX.Net
> >> >> >> > <Almost_There at cox.net>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Steve;
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >all it takes to make it is stick an anode and cathode in a bowl
> >> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >> > water.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>     (Recalling from research I did years ago): What you're
> >> >> >> >> talking
> >> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> >> is building an Electrolyser, not all that dissimilar from a
> >> >> >> >> home-made
> >> >> >> >> battery or fuel cell; it works, but VERY slowly, it would take
> >> >> >> >> weeks
> >> >> >> >> (if not
> >> >> >> >> months) to generate enough gas.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> At 09:29 AM 10/19/2011, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The scoring seems to really be weighted toward the documentation
> >> >> >> >> side.
> >> >> >> >> Probably because they're trying to make a kit that kids could
> >> >> >> >> build
> >> >> >> >> from. We
> >> >> >> >> should figure out what it will take to score 100 points on the
> >> >> >> >> documentation. That is something we can very easily control.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> How much cheaper is hydrogen to buy than helium? You know... we
> >> >> >> >> could
> >> >> >> >> make
> >> >> >> >> our own hydrogen. I don't know how you compress it and make it
> >> >> >> >> safe,
> >> >> >> >> but all
> >> >> >> >> it takes to make it is stick an anode and cathode in a bowl of
> >> >> >> >> water.
> >> >> >> >> Hydrogen and oxygen will bubble off.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I have no idea how much electricity it would take... but
> >> >> >> >> electricity
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> crazy cheap.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Steve
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:11 AM, <telmnstr at 757.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> * Magnetometer - tell the direction
> >> >> >> >> * GPS/altimeter -tell altitude
> >> >> >> >> *Wiki page - to state what we did (needs to be replicated in kits
> >> >> >> >> if
> >> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> >> win)
> >> >> >> >> * cam
> >> >> >> >> * test
> >> >> >> >> * under 4 lb and under 300 umm
> >> >> >> >> miss anything
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Remember, every dollar above $150 counts against you, and $250 is
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> maximum.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Last year, I think the helium and balloon alone ran $100+. And
> >> >> >> >> only
> >> >> >> >> counted the helium we used, the actual cost was over $100 for the
> >> >> >> >> gas
> >> >> >> >> alone.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> We looked at offloading some of it into an aluminum 80cuft scuba
> >> >> >> >> tank I
> >> >> >> >> had. I randomly had an adaptor for filling a specific scuba tank
> >> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> >> pure
> >> >> >> >> o2 from a large tank which looked like it would do the trick, but
> >> >> >> >> wisely the
> >> >> >> >> "K valve" fitting was sized differently. Most likely it's a
> >> >> >> >> cautionary
> >> >> >> >> thing
> >> >> >> >> where it's sized different for each gas so they can't be mixed
> >> >> >> >> up.
> >> >> >> >> So
> >> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> >> weren't able to safely save any of the excess purchased helium.
> >> >> >> >> This
> >> >> >> >> time
> >> >> >> >> around I think balloon gas would be advisable.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I'm really for dropping off at the needed height, and playing the
> >> >> >> >> game
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> win.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Remember, it's a challenge to meet the goals of the contest.
> >> >> >> >> Those
> >> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> goals.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> HacDC followed up their contest entry with launches that carried
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> cool
> >> >> >> >> experamentative payloads with things like high definition video
> >> >> >> >> cameras.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Another idea might be more of a schedule for the pictures to
> >> >> >> >> conserve
> >> >> >> >> battery power.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Battery was a large cost as well. Last one took 4x lithium
> >> >> >> >> batteries.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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