[757labs] Now: Fios fail Was: BFYI - 2nd Mid-Town Tunnel Support

[Adam Crosby]

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_13/b4221046109606.htm
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Gets-More-Specific-About-Those-FiOS-Cutbacks-108053

I'd say yes, it does seem like they're losing money.
That fruit isn't as cheap and low hanging as it may seem.

The city can't 'prevent' Verizon from offering FIOS, even if it grants the cable franchise to Cox.  Verizon owns armloads of right of way and aerial deployments around the city (ie: the whole existing copper infrastructure).  I don't think verizon wants to put any FIOS stuff on poles though - everywhere I've seen it deployed it's been buried.  Fiber is WAY more expensive to patch and fix when a tree falls on the lines.  Lots of things play into it - I'm sure theres not 'just one reason', and I'm also sure it's not just because Norfolk doesn't want Verizon...

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Adam

On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Trevor Lewis wrote:

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> Even still, they've got a fair amount of residential low hanging fruit. There's a Verizon hut 0.2 miles away from my house that has lots and lots of pretty little telco related racks that aren't very well hidden behind their barred-up non-blacked-out windows. I've watched them pull fiber through another neighborhood and they didn't just pull a single strand straight to a house. They wired one block after another, and then pulled from the pole to the home as the orders rolled in. Hell, they even put up signs in the area saying they were installing FIOS. (That's what caught my attention in the first place)
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> In so many areas now, it's not a case of the "last mile", it's a case of the "last 30 feet" from a pole that's already wired to the home. I can't see why Verizon wouldn't have FIOS here if it weren't for .gov intervention. I can't imagine they aren't making money off the service.
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> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Adam Crosby <adam at uptill3.com> wrote:
> There aren't really any FIOS customers downtown - it's nearly all business folks, who are either using Cox Fibernet, Verizon biz fiber (which is possible to get downtown), or L3 or something like that.  Most of the office buildings downtown have lit fiber coming in, and all of them are close to a fiber node, just not for residential deployment.
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> I did many, many fiber/circuit runs for the school board back in the day, and even for another part of the local city govt, getting permits, schedules, etc. to tear up roads and/or right of ways to put in new fiber was a serious expense and pain in the ass (to the point where it was cheaper in some places to actually just put up aerial fiber and replace it after every big storm).
> 
> While it does suck as a network engineer trying to get stuff done, I am happy for it as a citizen who has to live here - having your roads torn up every few weeks because somebody wants to run fiber would make it miserable driving around.  The landscape is so different from VB, you can't just 'run it down the side of the road'.
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> Some places suck it up and just do it - Newport News schools spent tens of millions of dollars on running their own fiber, buying right of way permits from railroads (another HUGE problem in Norfolk - crossing tracks and/or water == holy expensive) and the like.  I believe they ended up spending more than the Norfolk schools operating budget on their fiber deployment, and were looking at a 10-15 year ROI.  I can't even imagine what it would cost Verizon to put FTTH in an area like that...
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> Adam
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> On Dec 8, 2011, at 3:36 PM, telmnstr at 757.org wrote:
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> >> So, while the City may not be clean in everything they do, it was Verizons choice not to come to Norfolk, not Norfolk doing anything on behalf of Cox. -- Adam
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> > Interesting.
> >
> > You'd think in downtown at least it'd be high customer conversion given the density.
> >
> > I'm sure the illegal alien labor can figure out where to run the cable
> >
> > I'm not a verizon fan, the only use of FIOS to me is seeding torrents and perhaps for the radio station's icecast server.
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